Digiarkiston keskustelufoorumi

Hi,
I have three questions about this Communion page and would greatly appreciate some help. I am trying trace the move of some of the Anttila family members from the Alajärvi Parish to the Lappajärvi Parish. Many of them seemed to end up there.

Is this page a continuation of the farm listed on the previous page? I am guessing that is as there is no mantal size on this page and Juha Matinpoka is not designated as a farm owner.
What is the notation to the left of Juha Matinpoika’s name at the top of the page?
Is Juha Erkinpoika Anttila (bottom of page) working as a farm hand on this farm? I can’t figure out the notation to the left of his name either.

Thank you,
Lynette

https://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut_ ... 7&pnum=330

Abbreviations ittell. and itt. of ittellinen, dialectal form of itsellinen, independent lodger.

Jaska

You can compare the information from the Communionbook here:

(Digihakemisto > Henkikirjat > ... ; https://digihakemisto.net ... >)

Vaasan läänin henkikirjat ...
Lappajärvi, Savo No 1 Karvala
- 1878; https://digihakemisto.net/item/17598658 ... 087670/762
- 1879; https://digihakemisto.net/item/17599439 ... 94521/1212
- 1880; https://digihakemisto.net/item/17600931 ... 82335/1020
etc.

Birgit S.

Jaska, Thank you for the translation.

Birgit, The link sent me to some very informative documents that I had no idea even existed. Thank you.

https://runeberg.org/pieni/2/0020.html
Itsellinen, maaseudun tilattomaan
väestöön kuuluva henkilö, joka elää
tilapäisestä ansiosta.

A person who lives in countryside, who don't own land and who has no regular job; i.e. no dreng or piga or craftsman (taylor, blacksmith etc...)

Google translation
Self-contained, rural farmless a member of the population living temporary earnings.

The definition says nothing about housing but we may assume s/he has some permanent home, because "loinen" is a day laborer who has no such place and lives with landowners

https://runeberg.org/pieni/2/0641.html
Loinen, paikoin kesti, tilattomaan
väestöön kuuluva henkilö, joka elää
päivätyöläisenä ja, omaa asuntoa vailla,
asuu talollisten luona. Loislaitos
esiintyy pääasiassa Savossa ja Karjalassa.

Kimpula,
Thank you for the additional information.

Birgit,
In the 1880 document, I found my great-grandparents living and working on the farm where they met! They were not yet married. He was an independent lodger and she was a farm servant. In April of 1880, they married and he left for the United States in November.

They lived an amazing life in northern Wisconsin, staking a homestead claim of 80 acres of land in the wilderness. No roads only Indian trails to get to their land when they first arrived. They built everything themselves with the help of other Finnish immigrants including Johan Karvala who was also from Lappajärvi. They were true pioneers.

Thank you again,
Lynette