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ViestiKirjoittaja ljsmedman » 01.04.2018 03:25

I usually don't use the Barnbocker, but I am trying to fill in some branches of my tree more completely. I have several questions about this entry from the 1821-1841 book: https://digihakemisto.appspot.com/edit? ... ay2=127916

1. Under Christian Abraham Ahlback barn, there's a Christian listed. I think this says "foster son" and there's a reference to page 82, Sundom, with the initials "otm." What would be the significance of having a foster son? Can anyone make out the birth date of Christian?
2. The rest of the names actually are the children of Christian Gabriel Ahlback (listed below this). I guess the parish priest got the two Christians mixed up?
2. Under Christian Gabriel Ahlback barn, there's a line in the margin. Can anyone translate this?
3. The first name is Ulrica Isacdtr Storm, Helsingby. This seems to be the name of Christian Abraham's 2nd wife (though Simonsdtr is the name given on the marriage certificate); any idea why her name is here?
4. The next name is "Daj" Brita Rast, oakd, gift i Karpero. Whose child would this be?
5. Gustava's name has an asterisk; any significance to that?

That's a lot of questions! Thanks in advance for your help.
ljsmedman
 
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Re: Barnbocker questions

ViestiKirjoittaja ljsmedman » 04.04.2018 05:02

ljsmedman kirjoitti:I usually don't use the Barnbocker, but I am trying to fill in some branches of my tree more completely. I have several questions about this entry from the 1821-1841 book: https://digihakemisto.appspot.com/edit? ... ay2=127916

1. Under Christian Abraham Ahlback barn, there's a Christian listed. I think this says "foster son" and there's a reference to page 82, Sundom, with the initials "otm." What would be the significance of having a foster son? Can anyone make out the birth date of Christian?
2. The rest of the names actually are the children of Christian Gabriel Ahlback (listed below this). I guess the parish priest got the two Christians mixed up?
2. Under Christian Gabriel Ahlback barn, there's a line in the margin. Can anyone translate this?
3. The first name is Ulrica Isacdtr Storm, Helsingby. This seems to be the name of Christian Abraham's 2nd wife (though Simonsdtr is the name given on the marriage certificate); any idea why her name is here?
4. The next name is "Daj" Brita Rast, oakd, gift i Karpero. Whose child would this be?
5. Gustava's name has an asterisk; any significance to that?

That's a lot of questions! Thanks in advance for your help.
ljsmedman
 
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Re: Barnbocker questions

ViestiKirjoittaja poola » 06.04.2018 15:06

I try to help you
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9063425
First I take away
These person Däj. (woman who has given birth to an illegitimate child) Brita (Pehrsdotter) Pått and hers (oäkta=illegitimate child) son (Johan) Erik (b.1816) don’t belongs to family.
12.12.1816 15.12.1816 Hels.by Däj. Brita Petters:dr 23 Joh: Eric
Brita go to married to Karprön
20.3.1825 Karprön Enkl. Abr: Isaacss: Norrgård Trol: Brud Brita Pehrsdr. Pått

Then this foster son/ foster child Christian. He is son of Ercíc Ericsson Dahl (Sundblad) and Greta Mårtensdotter
25.9.1808 /3.10.1808 Singsby 7 B.s. Eric Ers: Dahl (Sundblad) Greta Mårtens:dr 30 Christian
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9065264
Eric and Greta Married
23.1.1801 Singsby sjöm: Eric Sundblad ell: Dahl däj: Greta Mårt:dr: Norrgård Karprö
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10126294
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10126481
Parents are here
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9063056
Barn book Christian 25.9.1808
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9066705
Father Eric died 18.6.1809
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10127189
Widow mother Greta and family
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9066969
Mother Greta died 17.2.1818
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9063413
Mother Greta and Christian’s half-brother Isaac in children’s book
And this Christian go to married
22.11.1829 Smedsby Drg. Christ. Ericss: Sundblad Bd.dr. Anna Caisa Isaacsdr. Holm Karperö
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10127744
Christian Ericsson and his wife here

Ulrica Isaacdotter Storm
Ulrica Isaacdotter is the daughter of Isaac Zachariasson Storm and Eva Stina Abrahamsdotter
17.8.1821 18.8.1821 Helsingby p. 115 Bd.måg. Isaac Zachrss: Storm Eva Stina Abr:d:r 23 Ulrica
And Christian Abraham Ahlbäck’s second wife Ulla Simonsdotter seem to be also Ulrica’s grandmother because Eva Stina Abrahamsdotter is hers daughter
1.9.1798 1.9.1798 Helsingby Abr: Joh:s: Storm Ulrica Sim:dr Eva Stina
Abraham Johansson Storm and Ulrica married
1.7.1791 Helsingby Uk: Abr: Johanss: Storm P: Ulrica Simonsdr: Töhlby
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9067022
Ulrica’s Mother Eva Stina Abrahamsdotter died 3.10.1830
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9063281
In this book says that Ulrica was also in Smedsby with Ahlbäcks

Christer Abraham Ahlbäck’s wifes
14.11.1793 Smedsby Uk: Christ: Abr: Ahlbäck P: Anna Ersdr: Sundom
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9066987
Anna Ericsdotter died 10.8.1822
6.2.1824 Smedsby Nämndem: och Kyrkov: C. Abraham Ahlbäck Bd.enk. Ulrica Sim:dr. Storm
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9066990
Ulrica’s husband Abraham Johansson Storm died 17.1.1823

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9063076
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9063425
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9063890
Children's books. I think those children's books are quite confusing.

Then Christian Abraham Johansson Ahlbäck’s children with first wife Anna Ericsdotter
16.8.1794 7..1794 Smedsby Christian Abrah:s: Ahlbäck Anna Ersdr Johan Niclas
14.5.1797 15.4.1797 Smedsby Christian Abrah:s: Ahlbäck Anna Ersdr Anna Caisa
1.3.1799 2.3.1799 Smedsby Christian Abraham Ahlbäck Anna Ersdr Christian Gabriel
7.12.1800 9.12.1800 Smedsby Christian Abrah: Ahlbäck Anna Ersdr: Carl Eric +
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9066617
Carl Eric died 13.10.1801
29.12.1803 31.12.1803 Smedsby Rasthemmans innehaf. Christian Ahlbäck Anna Ericsdr 37 Carl
18.7.1807 19.7.1807 Smedsby 10 Råsthem:ägar. Chistian Abrah: Ahlbäck Anna Erics:dr 42 Maria Christina
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9066987
Maria Christina died 23.8.1822

Married
16.9.1820 Clemetsö Christ: Gabr: Ahlbäck Maria Mattsdr. Clemetsö
Christian Gabriel Christiansson’s children with Maria Mattsdotter
14.12.1821 16.12.1821 Smedsby p. 388 Bd.s. Christ: Abramss: Ahlbäck Maria Mattsd:r 22 Henric
(when Henric was born his father's name is wrong)
26.3.1823 28.3.1823 Smedsby p. 398 Bd.s. Christ. Gabr: Ahlbäck Maria 23 Abram
8.7.1825 10.7.1825 Smedsby p. 598 Christ: Gabr: Ahlbäck Maria 25 Urica Maria
17.12.1827 23.12.1827 Smedsby Christian Gabriel Ahlbäck Maria Mattsd:r 28 Johannes
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9067094
Johannes died 20.8.1845 (I think the sign in the children's book meant death)
12.8.1830 15.8.1830 Smedsby Kyrkovärds.s. Christ: Gabr: Ahlbäck Maria 31 Christina
31.8.1831 9.9.1831 Smedsby Bd. Christ. Gabr. Ahlbäck Maria 32 Gustafva
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/j ... 909&pnum=9
Gustava died 9.10.1863 (I think the sign in the children's book meant death)
4.10.1834 12.10.1834 Smedsby Bd.s. Crist: Gabr: Ahlbäck (el. Rostz) Maja 35 Carolina
19.8.1837 27.8.1837 Smedsby Bd. Christ. Gabr. Ahlbäck Maria Mattsd:r 38 Carl Fredric
1.6.1838 24.6.1838 Smedsby Bd. Christ. Gabr: Ahlbäck Maria 39 Maria Wilh:
(In a church book Maria Wilhelmina has a question mark and there is also a text orätt inf. which means that there may be false information)
Anna Lisa 24.6.1841 (She can only be found in church books)

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10125355
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10125550
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10125623
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10125777
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10125957
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10126298
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10126515
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10127145
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10127966
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9059454
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9060271
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9060309
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9060158
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9061195
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9062364
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/j ... 5&pnum=556
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/j ... 9&pnum=610
I think that these families get much clearer information about these church books.

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9060140
Ulrica Simonsdotter died 1.4.1845

4.5.1769 6.5.1769 Smedsby Ing. Joh. Ahlbäck Cathar. Nagel Abrah.-Christian (Christian Abraham)
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10357307
Christian Abraham Johansson Ahlbäck born 4.5.1769

http://hiski.genealogia.fi/historia/indexe.htm
Some information comes from here

This became a quite long explanation. There is probably a lot of information that you already have. Hope you get some help from these.
Paula
poola
 
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Re: Barnbocker questions

ViestiKirjoittaja ljsmedman » 07.04.2018 03:11

Dear Paula,
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this wealth of information! I haven't gone into all the records yet, but you have already answered so many questions. It's really confusing to try to sort out the records since I don't know Swedish.
You have given me a big project for this weekend!
Lorna



poola kirjoitti:I try to help you
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9063425
First I take away
These person Däj. (woman who has given birth to an illegitimate child) Brita (Pehrsdotter) Pått and hers (oäkta=illegitimate child) son (Johan) Erik (b.1816) don’t belongs to family.
12.12.1816 15.12.1816 Hels.by Däj. Brita Petters:dr 23 Joh: Eric
Brita go to married to Karprön
20.3.1825 Karprön Enkl. Abr: Isaacss: Norrgård Trol: Brud Brita Pehrsdr. Pått

Then this foster son/ foster child Christian. He is son of Ercíc Ericsson Dahl (Sundblad) and Greta Mårtensdotter
25.9.1808 /3.10.1808 Singsby 7 B.s. Eric Ers: Dahl (Sundblad) Greta Mårtens:dr 30 Christian
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9065264
Eric and Greta Married
23.1.1801 Singsby sjöm: Eric Sundblad ell: Dahl däj: Greta Mårt:dr: Norrgård Karprö
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10126294
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10126481
Parents are here
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9063056
Barn book Christian 25.9.1808
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9066705
Father Eric died 18.6.1809
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10127189
Widow mother Greta and family
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9066969
Mother Greta died 17.2.1818
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9063413
Mother Greta and Christian’s half-brother Isaac in children’s book
And this Christian go to married
22.11.1829 Smedsby Drg. Christ. Ericss: Sundblad Bd.dr. Anna Caisa Isaacsdr. Holm Karperö
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10127744
Christian Ericsson and his wife here

Ulrica Isaacdotter Storm
Ulrica Isaacdotter is the daughter of Isaac Zachariasson Storm and Eva Stina Abrahamsdotter
17.8.1821 18.8.1821 Helsingby p. 115 Bd.måg. Isaac Zachrss: Storm Eva Stina Abr:d:r 23 Ulrica
And Christian Abraham Ahlbäck’s second wife Ulla Simonsdotter seem to be also Ulrica’s grandmother because Eva Stina Abrahamsdotter is hers daughter
1.9.1798 1.9.1798 Helsingby Abr: Joh:s: Storm Ulrica Sim:dr Eva Stina
Abraham Johansson Storm and Ulrica married
1.7.1791 Helsingby Uk: Abr: Johanss: Storm P: Ulrica Simonsdr: Töhlby
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9067022
Ulrica’s Mother Eva Stina Abrahamsdotter died 3.10.1830
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9063281
In this book says that Ulrica was also in Smedsby with Ahlbäcks

Christer Abraham Ahlbäck’s wifes
14.11.1793 Smedsby Uk: Christ: Abr: Ahlbäck P: Anna Ersdr: Sundom
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9066987
Anna Ericsdotter died 10.8.1822
6.2.1824 Smedsby Nämndem: och Kyrkov: C. Abraham Ahlbäck Bd.enk. Ulrica Sim:dr. Storm
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9066990
Ulrica’s husband Abraham Johansson Storm died 17.1.1823

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9063076
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9063425
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9063890
Children's books. I think those children's books are quite confusing.

Then Christian Abraham Johansson Ahlbäck’s children with first wife Anna Ericsdotter
16.8.1794 7..1794 Smedsby Christian Abrah:s: Ahlbäck Anna Ersdr Johan Niclas
14.5.1797 15.4.1797 Smedsby Christian Abrah:s: Ahlbäck Anna Ersdr Anna Caisa
1.3.1799 2.3.1799 Smedsby Christian Abraham Ahlbäck Anna Ersdr Christian Gabriel
7.12.1800 9.12.1800 Smedsby Christian Abrah: Ahlbäck Anna Ersdr: Carl Eric +
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9066617
Carl Eric died 13.10.1801
29.12.1803 31.12.1803 Smedsby Rasthemmans innehaf. Christian Ahlbäck Anna Ericsdr 37 Carl
18.7.1807 19.7.1807 Smedsby 10 Råsthem:ägar. Chistian Abrah: Ahlbäck Anna Erics:dr 42 Maria Christina
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9066987
Maria Christina died 23.8.1822

Married
16.9.1820 Clemetsö Christ: Gabr: Ahlbäck Maria Mattsdr. Clemetsö
Christian Gabriel Christiansson’s children with Maria Mattsdotter
14.12.1821 16.12.1821 Smedsby p. 388 Bd.s. Christ: Abramss: Ahlbäck Maria Mattsd:r 22 Henric
(when Henric was born his father's name is wrong)
26.3.1823 28.3.1823 Smedsby p. 398 Bd.s. Christ. Gabr: Ahlbäck Maria 23 Abram
8.7.1825 10.7.1825 Smedsby p. 598 Christ: Gabr: Ahlbäck Maria 25 Urica Maria
17.12.1827 23.12.1827 Smedsby Christian Gabriel Ahlbäck Maria Mattsd:r 28 Johannes
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9067094
Johannes died 20.8.1845 (I think the sign in the children's book meant death)
12.8.1830 15.8.1830 Smedsby Kyrkovärds.s. Christ: Gabr: Ahlbäck Maria 31 Christina
31.8.1831 9.9.1831 Smedsby Bd. Christ. Gabr. Ahlbäck Maria 32 Gustafva
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/j ... 909&pnum=9
Gustava died 9.10.1863 (I think the sign in the children's book meant death)
4.10.1834 12.10.1834 Smedsby Bd.s. Crist: Gabr: Ahlbäck (el. Rostz) Maja 35 Carolina
19.8.1837 27.8.1837 Smedsby Bd. Christ. Gabr. Ahlbäck Maria Mattsd:r 38 Carl Fredric
1.6.1838 24.6.1838 Smedsby Bd. Christ. Gabr: Ahlbäck Maria 39 Maria Wilh:
(In a church book Maria Wilhelmina has a question mark and there is also a text orätt inf. which means that there may be false information)
Anna Lisa 24.6.1841 (She can only be found in church books)

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10125355
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10125550
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10125623
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10125777
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10125957
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10126298
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10126515
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10127145
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10127966
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9059454
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9060271
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9060309
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9060158
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9061195
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9062364
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/j ... 5&pnum=556
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/j ... 9&pnum=610
I think that these families get much clearer information about these church books.

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9060140
Ulrica Simonsdotter died 1.4.1845

4.5.1769 6.5.1769 Smedsby Ing. Joh. Ahlbäck Cathar. Nagel Abrah.-Christian (Christian Abraham)
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=10357307
Christian Abraham Johansson Ahlbäck born 4.5.1769

http://hiski.genealogia.fi/historia/indexe.htm
Some information comes from here

This became a quite long explanation. There is probably a lot of information that you already have. Hope you get some help from these.
Paula
ljsmedman
 
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Re: Barnbocker questions

ViestiKirjoittaja poola » 07.04.2018 07:59

Hello!

I put here one more link, which might be helpful when doing genealogy.
http://www.saunalahti.fi/hirvela/indexuk.html#

Paula
poola
 
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