Banned marriage entry Kupunen and Ruona

[Katie]

I found this banned marriage entry from 1882 for Larui Hannupk Kupunen and Maria Kaisa Ruona. Will you please translate.

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut_e ... 567&pnum=7

It would be the last entry for Simo Banned Marriage 1882.
They were married 10 Feb 1883
Thank You
Janice

[Timppa]

The forest ranger's son Lauri Hannu´sson Kupunen b. 20.11.186
The daughter of the house, Maria Kaisa Ruona or Vuopala, b. 11.12.1860

Fugitive marriage 12.31.1882 and 07.01.1883 and 14.01.1883

Their knowledge found in the confessional book pages 284 and 236

President of J. Kuivala

Marriage at home 02/10/1883


Here are some mistakes that can be found on page 236 and 217, Lauri was born 20/08/1860 and 12/11/1860 Maria
terv. Timo

[Katie]

I tried to research what is a fugitive marriage but could not find an answer.
What is a fugitive marriage and what do the 3 different dates refer to. Are they engagement dates that kept getting cancelled until the actual date was made to be 02 Oct 1883 when they got married.

May I have the link to the two pages mentioned in the confessional book. I can not locate that. You could send me one link to one page then I'll scroll to the other page.

Fugitive marriage 12.31.1882 and 07.01.1883 and 14.01.1883

Their knowledge found in the confessional book pages 284 and 236
Please advise and Thank you for researching this for me .
Janice

[JaskaS]

I don't know the word fugitive, but those three dates were consecutive Sundays when banns were announced in the church.

December 1882: http://almanakka.helsinki.fi/images/ark ... 188212.gif
January 1883: http://almanakka.helsinki.fi/images/ark ... 188301.gif

Jaska

[Katie]

Hello,
I have one more question regarding this ban. What criteria would have to be met in order for a couple or person to have a marriage bann filed against them and can you tell by these entries found why they had to correct an issue to clear the bann and get married.
I find this so intriguing because I could see the bann if one of them was already married or betrothed to someone else then they would have to go to the church to clear up the issue. If the records do not reveal a reason for the bann against Lars and Maria can you at least tell me some common issues that would cause a bann during that time.
Thank You
Janice

[Katie]

Hello, again
I looked at the 2 links for Dec 1882 and Jan 1883 and they are Almanc pages not Confession pages. Unless I am reading them wrong as I can not find any surnames on either page.
Thanks Janice

[JaskaS]

Indeed they are almanac pages, since I checked that the dates were Sundays.
It was a general procedure to announce banns after the service, on three Sundays, so that members of congregation could say, if they know of any legal obstacles as to the intended marriage.

Jaska

[Katie]

So it was just a formality and there wasn't any particular reason for the marriage bann to be called. Today the question is asked if there are any objections when the couple are at the altar to get married and back then it was at the time of engagement.
Sound right to you
Jan

[Kuriver]

In Finland it is still the tradition, even if not a legal requirement.

Before you marry, you have to apply for a "clearance of objections" for some time before marriage, whereas the civil servants search the records to see that you are not married before, check that you are of legal age for marriage and not too close relative (you can marry your first cousin in Finland but it is extremely rare). You then have to present the document you receive to the marrying official, be that the priest or the magistrate (unlike in many countries, in Finland the church still has the power to marry people "legally", so there is no need to have the ceremony at the magistrates and the church separately, if both belong to the church).

In the old days before digital information systems this was done by a public announcement in the church (on Sundays), so that anyone who knew of any objections, would have time to react to it, similar to announcements in the Official Journal these days, except that I believe it was only done in the home parish and maybe the neighbouring ones.

You can still choose the announcement in your parish, whereas the priest will then after the sermon announce any intended marriages together with babtisms and deaths of parish members. Of course, these days this is no longer a legal requirement of a valid marriage.

[Katie]

Thank you for responding. I appreciate your explanation of the steps taken before marriage. If you read from the beginning I state that the wording 'fugitive' was used in the Marriage Bann entry. Do you by chance know what that would mean if anything?
Janice

[Kuriver]

I do not see anything that would translate as "fugitive" in the entry behind the link, unless this word has some other meaning that I know of. As Timppa has listed those three dates after the word and Jaskas pointed out that all these three dates fell on Sunday in 1882 and 1883, I believe just banns were referred to. The entry did not have any indication that something out of ordinary was recorded. The couple was married at home after three announcements of banns, as most couples those days.

[Katie]

Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly. Have a nice week.
Janice

[Timppa]

That word comes when you use the google translator program, my own language skills is not enough to explain.

Kuulutettu avioliittoon 31.12.1882 ja 7.1.1883 ja 14.1.1883
Fugitive marriage 12.31.1882 and 07.01.1883 and 14.01.1883

Timppa

[JaskaS]

Google translator can give odd results, when it picks words without thinking the context
For us Finns: It's given 'fugitive' in the sense of 'etsintäkuulutettu'. Quite a different meaning.

Jaska

[Katie]

Thank you all for looking into this issue. I know who the translators are, they come up with some very strange words at times.
We'll call this search resolved.
Have a nice week everyone.
Janice