Daniel HENRICKSON - advice please

[taltta]

Hi again, is there a male bloodline from Daniel to present day? Male DNA (and global comparisons) might be an approach to consider. As I understand you are pretty much stuck anyway (and some if not all of the starting data is probably inaccurate). I just hope that the Finnish bloodline reaches present day and the proper people have had testing done (or will).
The probabily of this yeilding results is most likely low, but you never know...

BRs taltta

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Hi Taltta,

Great minds think alike

I have suggested Y-DNA testing to other people I've helped over the years but not yet in the search for Daniel.

I see that there is a fairly decent HENRICKSON DNA Project so there's no harm in asking Velcro if she knows of an interested direct male line descendant. Hopefully there will be one.

HENRICKSON DNA Project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/hen ... n=yresults

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I appreciate you saying "As I understand you are pretty much stuck".

I think the expression you're looking for is "A headless chicken".

The dictionary definition is...

... to be very busy doing a lot of things, but in a way that is not very effective....

Sums up this search perfectly

Thanks again
Beg

[beg]

I am helping out in the search for Daniel HENRICKSON, son of Aron HENRICKSON, born 15 August 1860, somewhere in Finland.

Hi again...

I've found a Daniel born on 15 Aug 1860. There is no mention of an Aron HENRICKSON, nor of a brother Andrew, nor of Koomeny so possibly a coincidence.

Could I ask someone to locate Boställi or Tavastby in Virolahti. Is it about fourteen miles from the Russian border.

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Could I also ask for a translation of the comments column in the following 1866-1878 Virolahti Lastenkirja. Is it, or the following Rippikirja, any help in tracing this Daniel any further.

Virolahti, Lastenkirja, 1866-1878 - p.816
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/ ... 45/399.htm


Virolahti, Rippikirja, 1857-1866 - p.505
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=6478613

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And one more question. Does the following birth register say August or September.

Virolahti , Syntyneet, 1851-1873 - p.240
Birth no.43 - Danjel
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/ ... 68/245.htm

Thanks very much
Beg

[timotk]

Lastenkirja:
Daniel born 1860 is Daniel Johansson. Father was Johan Eriksson, who is marked as "afl." or dead. Johan was "inhs" or farm hand. Johannes was in Viipuri and returned later. He did not see with his right eye. Page 899 is perhaps the place where the family appeared next. This case does not match well with Daniel Hendrickson.

Rippikirja:
The header is "Tavastby (Hämeenkylä) eller Heligby". Eller = aka.
In modern maps you can find Hämeenkylä rather close to the current border. A little north from it you can find Hellä. Hellä N:o 1 is the name of the farm, where Daniel Ericsson lived. Daniel Erisson was born in 1814. This case does not match well with Daniel Hendrickson, either.

http://kansalaisen.karttapaikka.fi/kart ... 00&lang=en
You see Hämeenkylä here and Hellä on the northern side.

http://kansalaisen.karttapaikka.fi/kart ... ra&lang=en
This area contains Puustelli (old form Boställ) farm as well as Hämeenkylä (formerly Tavastby) and Hellä. Puustelli is half km north from the leading K of Koivuniemi, or perhaps it is best that you use the (upper) name search field for more exact location.

Danjel was born in September. Father: David Fredriksson, mother Helmi. This Daniel was thus Daniel Danielsson if the patronym was used.
Daniel was in fashion in Virolahti in those days.

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Hello Timo....

Thanks again for taking the time to help me.

My apologies but I didn't explain myself properly. Sorry about that.

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And one more question. Does the following birth register say August or September.

Virolahti , Syntyneet, 1851-1873 - p.240
Birth no.43 - Danjel
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/ ... 68/245.htm

I actually meant to ask what was written along the top of the right-hand page. It says something like "E? Sept ???? Aug". I thought the Daniel born 15 August 1860 was the fourth birth on the right-hand page (Birth no. 43). But if this is September then I've got something wrong.

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I was also unclear when I asked the Rippikirja question. Sorry again.

There is a Johan ERIKKSON b.1821 mentioned on the following page. He is listed with some HENRIKSONs so I thought he might be related.

Virolahti, Rippikirja, 1857-1866 - p.505
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=6478613

But I've since realised he is the wrong Johan ERIKKSON. The correct one is on p.507

Virolahti, Rippikirja, 1857-1866 - p.507
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=6478615

I can't see anything on p.507 which suggests he or his wife knew any HENRIKSONs. A pity.

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Thanks for translating "afl.". That's something I didn't know. I wonder if the mother Anna Stina DANIELSDOTTER remarried. Possibly to a HENRICKSON

Have had a browse through the Children's Book but couldn't see a second entry for Daniel and his siblings. Nothing on page 899, which is a nuisance.

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On narc the Virolahti Rippikirja only go up to 1866. Does this mean that later books do not exist. Or simply that the later books are not on-line.

Also the Rippilasten Luettelot 1836-1905" on narc says...

"Aineisto on käyttörajoitettua ja on katsottavissa arkistolaitoksen sisäverkosta kirjautumalla. Pääsy edellyttää tunnusten ja tarvittaessa käyttöluvan anomista arkistolaitoksen tutkijasaleissa"...

So is there anyway to see the 1877 confirmation entry for Daniel. Or is it only possible in Finland.

Out of interest, would the Rippilasten mention an 1877 residence for Daniel.

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For the record, here is the 2 March 1869 death of Johan ERIKKSON (no.66)

Can you please translate the word before Tavastby. I'm guessing it's a location or occupation.

Virolahti , Kuolleet, 1854-1885 p.75
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/ ... 188/74.htm

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Thanks very much for the maps. Looks pretty close to the border. Will mention it to Velcro but will also tell her it's really not worth getting excited.

Thanks again
Beg

[timotk]

I actually meant to ask what was written along the top of the right-hand page. It says something like "E? Sept ???? Aug". I thought the Daniel born 15 August 1860 was the fourth birth on the right-hand page (Birth no. 43). But if this is September then I've got something wrong.

I was mistaken and looked at another Daniel. Yes it is the Boställe case, but very fuzzy indeed. The pages are confusingly marked. I could not read the header well but it indicates listing births in a non-consecutive manner. Daniel's birth is clearly 15/8 in the Children's book so you should rely on it.
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Have had a browse through the Children's Book but couldn't see a second entry for Daniel and his siblings. Nothing on page 899, which is a nuisance.

Was it this: http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/j ... 4&pnum=441
It is not empty (but possibly useless).
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On narc the Virolahti Rippikirja only go up to 1866. Does this mean that later books do not exist. Or simply that the later books are not on-line.

The films may have in the most recent sections material that is "sensitive" because of being within 125 years of today. Narc does not publish selected sections of the reels for technical reasons. The Finnish text indicates such a situation. A personal visit is required and a permission may be required, but the volunteer's project is more flexible and may create digitised pages up to 125 year limit before narc.

Out of interest, would the Rippilasten mention an 1877 residence for Daniel.
I can not identify other places than Hämeenkylä N:o 2 Boställe, from which they may have moved.
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For the record, here is the 2 March 1869 death of Johan ERIKKSON (no.66)
Can you please translate the word before Tavastby. I'm guessing it's a location or occupation.

No, it is the cause of death, "nervfeber", literally nerve fever. A disease with high fever that generates neurological symptoms. Possibly typhus.

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Hi Timo...

I say it every post but thanks again for your help. The advice and translations you and Taltaa give make all the difference. I would be hopelessly lost otherwise.

Thanks for explaining the 125-year rule. A shame it depends on the contents of the book and not the actual year.

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Have had a browse through the Children's Book but couldn't see a second entry for Daniel and his siblings. Nothing on page 899, which is a nuisance.

Found page 899 in the Virolahti Lastenkirja 1878-1879...

Bottom of right-hand page
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/ ... 63/429.htm

It seems Daniel has left home by 1878 which is good. If it is the right Daniel he is supposed to have left Finland around 1877-78.

No sign of any HENRICKSONs which is a pity.

Will try and find a later mention of the mother and daughter

Thanks again
Beg

[timotk]

It seems Daniel has left home by 1878 which is good. If it is the right Daniel he is supposed to have left Finland around 1877-78.

My underlining. Absence from children's book is due to becoming adult. After admission to communion he was transfered to Rippikirja, if he was at home. Quite well he could have stayed with his mother or lived nearby. As previously noted, we have yet not had access to communion books after 1866, so the question of his whereabouts remains open.

This next link leads you to the list of taxpayers, which covers personal and land taxation. Any adult (if capable of working or not in high age) was due to pay a certain sum annually. This is another source of finding individuals. Sometimes this source gives a better understanding of family names than the recordings of the church. Also the basis for land tax is documented here but in your case it does not matter.

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=303237 and onwards, in total around 84 pages. For the year 1880, the link is http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=324658 up to page 880.
Columns from the left: Name of farm, number of the division of the farm (if any). Numerical values relate to taxation. The text section lists the heads of the households and farm owners or tenants (the taxpayers of the land tax, if any). Torp = crotch (of the farm listed above).

The latter text section lists other persons of the same extended family or the household (this column does not exist in 1880). They do not pay land tax. B stands for children. Young children are listed by number only # of sons - # of daughters. There are a number of Swedish attributes of relatives, e.g. Br Enkan = brother's widow. Osä = of high age, not due to pay tax. Mor = mother. H = hustru = wife (of a person listed earlier on the same row).

This is next best source of persons after parish records. In some cases it saves the day since it may list well enough the structure of the family. Unfortunately, Virolahti records of 1875 do not show ages or the years of birth (while that of 1880 lists the year of birth without the leading two digits). This has one advantage: it lists the farm where the persons lived, while the parish records often list the farm hands and self-employed people in alphabetical order, in a section which does not reveal the location. In your case the father was "inhs" or farm hand and thus the remaining family members could be listed outside the villagers' list in the parish records.

I hope this proves useful.

Rgds Timo

[taltta]

Hi, I am sorry to disappoint you, but I just found Daniel in the henkikirja and he is still in Virolahti in 1880.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=324817

It is the 14th line from the bottom of the page. (right side: (57,) Daniel 60, 0-1)
The latter part 0-1 here means Amalia who was born in 1866 (under 16 years of age)
Since Daniel was just under 16, you may not have found him in the 1875 henkikirja.

Is Daniel's older brother Johannes (b.2.6.1857) around and back from Viborg?
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/ ... 45/399.htm
According to statistics in the columns (1880) he most probably is.

Henkikirja 1885 shows mother Anna and boys Johannes (57) and Daniel (60) as well (4th row from bottom of page).
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=672707

BRs, taltta

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I am sorry to disappoint you, but I just found Daniel in the henkikirja and he is still in Virolahti in 1880.

Hi Taltta...

Without disappointments you can't appreciate success....or so I've been told

Thanks for your help in finding this Daniel. It's a shame it's not him but that was Timo's initial impression, which I guess has been proven right.

Back to slogging through the Children's Books looking for Aron HENRICKSON and his family.

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As an aside, I can't believe the depth and quality of the Finnish genealogical resources. Absolute treasures. I was unaware of the Henkikirja but can see it is another amazing resource.

Interestingly according to Google the word Henkikirja translates into english as "The Spirit Book". Very mystical

I mentioned it earlier but I can't see why your government doesn't start an indexing project using high school students or university history students. Free labour plus it will give the youth a sense of their national heritage. Similar to the Irish government using beneficiaries as transcribers. Admittedly errors were made but half of something is better than nothing.

Thanks once again for your help. And thanks Timo for showing me a new resource.

Regards
Beg

[timotk]

Interestingly according to Google the word Henkikirja translates into english as "The Spirit Book". Very mystical

If you try once again with just henki, you see that one of the meanings is person.
For instance, a car for 5 persons is a phrase that in Finnish makes use of this word "henki".
Thus, henkikirja = book of persons.
Rgds
Timo

[beg]

Hi, it seems that Jani and some other people have been quite busy and e.g. new books on Kymi are now found.

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/j ... ukausi.php
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut_e ... p?plid=261

Especially this (those moved out)
2013-02-04 01:37:14 Kymi - Kymmene Moving Records 1863-1888 I Ba:2
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut_e ... ?bid=20695

is interesting if you want to use "border control" type of searching, BRs taltta

2013-02-04 02:21:24 Kymi - Kymmene Marriage Banns 1901-1906
2013-02-04 02:20:21 Kymi - Kymmene Marriage Banns 1887-1900 I Ec:2
2013-02-04 01:37:19 Kymi - Kymmene Moving Records 1888-1893 I Ba:2
2013-02-04 01:37:14 Kymi - Kymmene Moving Records 1863-1888 I Ba:2
2013-02-04 01:37:01 Kymi - Kymmene Moving Records 1894-1905
2013-02-04 01:35:48 Kymi - Kymmene Moving Records 1889-1893 I Ba:1
2013-02-04 01:35:41 Kymi - Kymmene Moving Records 1869-1888 I Ba:1
2013-02-01 02:25:44 Kymi - Kymmene Death Records 1900-1906
2013-02-01 02:25:38 Kymi - Kymmene Death Records 1889-1899 I Eb:1
2013-02-01 02:25:22 Kymi - Kymmene Death Records 1885-1888 I Eb:1
2013-02-01 00:42:35 Kymi - Kymmene Marriage Records 1901-1906
2013-02-01 00:42:28 Kymi - Kymmene Marriage Records 1888-1899 I Eb:1
2013-02-01 00:42:20 Kymi - Kymmene Marriage Records 1882-1888 I Eb:1
2013-02-01 00:42:04 Kymi - Kymmene Marriage Records 1853-1882 I C:6
2013-01-31 22:52:31 Kymi - Kymmene Birth Records 1889-1897 I C:8
2013-01-31 22:29:36 Kymi - Kymmene Birth Records 1898-1904
2013-01-31 21:32:26 Kymi - Kymmene Preconfirmation Records 1890-1899 I Ab:8-9
2013-01-31 21:32:10 Kymi - Kymmene Preconfirmation Records 1880-1890 I Ab:7
2013-01-31 21:31:01 Kymi - Kymmene Communion Book 1890-1899 I Aa:15-17

Hello again...

Would there be a list viewable by non-members of the resources available solely to members of the FFHA. I have a few specific registers that need checking and before becoming a member I'd like to make sure they have been digitised.

Apart from the registers kindly listed above by Taltta my main interest is in the Kymi Communion Books covering 1870-1890. The Communion Books covering Anjala, Strömfors and Lapinjärvi for the same period may also prove helpful.

I've looked elsewhere online (narc,digihakemisto,hiski) but have been unable to find them.

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks
Beg

[jani]

For FFHA, at the moment the database covers these books:

Images Book Specifier Years Source Identifier



591 Communion Book 1890-1899 MKO45-65 I Aa:15-17


227 Birth Records 1889-1897 MKO150-157 I C:8
242 Birth Records 1898-1904 MKO158-166


35 Marriage Records 1853-1882 MKO374A-B I C:6
21 Marriage Records 1882-1888 MKO374 I Eb:1
69 Marriage Records 1888-1899 MKO374-376 I Eb:1
60 Marriage Records 1901-1906 MKO377-378


20 Death Records 1885-1888 MKO495 I Eb:1
92 Death Records 1889-1899 MKO495-498 I Eb:1
120 Death Records 1900-1906 MKO508-511


286 Preconfirmation Records 1880-1890 MKO191-200 I Ab:7
319 Preconfirmation Records 1890-1899 MKO201-212 I Ab:8-9


9 Foreign Parishioners 1855-1874 MKO572 I C:6
93 Foreign Parishioners 1875-1886 MKO568-571 I Ga:1
1 Foreign Parishioners 1875-1879 MKO582 I Ga:1
12 Foreign Parishioners 1875-1885 MKO585 I Ga:1
1 Foreign Parishioners 1880-1889 MKO582 I Ga:1
3 Foreign Parishioners 1885-1889 MKO585 I Ga:1
238 Foreign Parishioners 1887-1905 MKO573-580 I Ga:2


105 Moving Records 1863-1888 MKO93-96 I Ba:2
40 Moving Records 1869-1888 MKO1-2 I Ba:1
12 Moving Records 1888-1893 MKO96 I Ba:2
22 Moving Records 1889-1893 MKO2-3 I Ba:1
60 Moving Records 1894-1905 MKO4-5


114 Marriage Banns 1887-1900 MKO422-425 I Ec:2
60 Marriage Banns 1901-1906 MKO426-427

[jani]

Anjala:

224 Communion Book 1859-1868 MKO1-8 I Aa:7
240 Communion Book 1869-1878 MKO9-16 I Aa:8
213 Communion Book 1879-1879 MKO17-24 I Aa:9
250 Communion Book 1880-1889 MKO25-33 I Aa:10
263 Communion Book 1890-1899 MKO34-42 I Aa:11


101 Birth Records 1860-1880 MKO1-4
54 Birth Records 1880-1887 MKO5-6
15 Birth Records 1887-1889 MKO6-7
240 Birth Records 1890-1908 MKO8-15


26 Marriage Records 1860-1879 MKO70
13 Marriage Records 1880-1887 MKO71
4 Marriage Records 1888-1889 MKO71
30 Marriage Records 1890-1902 MKO72


28 Death Records 1860-1880 MKO95
16 Death Records 1880-1887 MKO96
5 Death Records 1887-1889 MKO96
30 Death Records 1890-1901 MKO97


140 Preconfirmation Records 1881-1889 MKO174-178 I Ab:7
138 Preconfirmation Records 1890-1899 MKO179-183 I Ab:8


48 Moving Records 1861-1863 MKO49-50
44 Moving Records 1864-1868 MKO51-52
12 Moving Records 1866-1877 MKO48
28 Moving Records 1869-1873 MKO53
25 Moving Records 1874-1878 MKO54
9 Moving Records 1878-1880 MKO55
25 Moving Records 1880-1887 MKO56
6 Moving Records 1888-1889 MKO56-57

[jani]

And for Ruotsinpyhtää and Lapinjärvi there are no extra books for members right now.